Would you want feedback posted here or do you prefer a PM?
Quote from: polymerman on 26 November, 2016, 21:20:30 PM
Would you want feedback posted here or do you prefer a PM?
I suggest "almost" here ..... in a separate topic so we can offer our mutual comments on other's.
that said, I hope marcel / patc might add a "childs" board for all topics on his / their sound files etc.
it would include this one which can continue solely for release & update news and sub-topics currently included are separated out from their start (eg thoughts on danny's efforts, the pf vs pnf structure).
in the meantime, installing the new voices before feedback ..... thanks
Quote from: polymerman on 26 November, 2016, 21:20:30 PM
Would you want feedback posted here or do you prefer a PM?
Rather not by PM. It's nice to have everyone in this discussion.
Also it would be nice to have a place for things like this, like where you can report flaws in the voices. As I'm getting better at this, I now hear some bad timing issues, especially in the numbers. Eventually I want to fix these for the old voices.
Cool! Thanks Mave64!
Mave, I busted out a full set in just under 3 hours with the new tool. It compressed and uploaded just fine. Look for the Capt. K-Man set, US, Texas. :) Hope it is to the quality you need for full conversion. It was recorded using a Blue Yeti Pro mic for clarity. Now.. garbage it up with radio static and all the other little bits!
I Started this new thread for you guys!
Marcel
Quote from: MaVe64 on 27 November, 2016, 10:49:12 AM
Quote from: polymerman on 26 November, 2016, 21:20:30 PM
Would you want feedback posted here or do you prefer a PM?
Rather not by PM. It's nice to have everyone in this discussion.
First of all, thank you Marcel and Danny for your efforts!
Modern communications systems are fairly clear and crisp. I like it that way especially now that i'm older and losing my higher frequency hearing range. Although, with all the cockpit noise, adding some slight background static for the pilot makes little difference in hearing ability.
The slight addition of Silkyman's background hum does sound more realistic listening to the A1 pilots communications with ATC.
So I believe Marcel (MaVe64) and Daniel (Silkyman) are the ones to decide if the extra time to add "noise" is really worth it.
Hi Rich,
I hear ATC from second computer.
Together with FSX Airplane sound I don't need extra background noise! (I can not hear)
Because FSX Airplane Turbine Sound is much enough noise,
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Thomas
It's more about having the immersion, that the transmission from a cockpit sounds different, not just about adding noise.
I agree that the controllers should be clear.
i believe we need to remember a "pilots" voice is confusingly used (currently) as the "pnf" voice.
as such, many i suspect would prefer clarity as well as a familiar accent (& no background) as much as to help understand comms as there is not anywhere near the background noise (pf to / from pnf thru their respective headsets) that you can hear but not necessarily from other aircraft.
is there thus a need for options ?
Quote from: Kuragiman on 27 November, 2016, 14:23:00 PMNow.. garbage it up with radio static and all the other little bits!
No, please don't. I've already had to disable some of the voices as they are just too indecipherable. I have them on a headset or small overhead speakers, from a separate PC to the FS PC, and the sound needs to be clear.
In modern airliners, in my experience, the sound is crystal clear -- and this dates back to the days before you couldn't get cockpit visits. I don't know where folks get the idea that aircraft use 1940's tech radios still.
Yes, other aircraft talking to control can be horrible, depending on distance etc, but the controllers you are tuned to should always be clear.
Quote from: Pete Dowson on 28 November, 2016, 01:57:08 AM
No, please don't. I've already had to disable some of the voices as they are just too indecipherable. I have them on a headset or small overhead speakers, from a separate PC to the FS PC, and the sound needs to be clear.
Pete,
would you mind telling us, or more to the point tell me which voices you have disabled just so i can have a benchmark to work up to.
PM me if you wish to remain neutral.
thanks
Maybe because of the 100's of YouTube videos where we get to listen in and it all has static and buzz to some degrees. Not horrible but its still there. The goal is to dirty up the voice enough so it doesn't sound like someone sitting at their computer talking to you or a telephone call because its NOT that clear. But a little buzz on it will go a long way to make it sound like authentic comms.
Quote from: Silkyman on 28 November, 2016, 02:17:30 AM
would you mind telling us, or more to the point tell me which voices you have disabled just so i can have a benchmark to work up to.
I'll check later today.
Lets move this discussion to ....(link removed)
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Quote from: Silkyman on 28 November, 2016, 02:17:30 AM
would you mind telling us, or more to the point tell me which voices you have disabled just so i can have a benchmark to work up to.
Here's a rating for legibility on my headset and/or overhead speakers. I do observe that MOST of the distortion seems to be due to something like the speakers being too close to the mike they were using, rather than actually deliberately added noise.
Rating 1-9, where 1 is totally unintelligible all the time, 9 = well nigh perfect, an example to all:
2 CaptMadDog, ME-NAIF, MadDog
4 AU-John, ES-Miguel
5 UK-Paul, MBA1, UK-Danny, US-Bob, US-Shane, NewController003, V3, MBA2
6 CH-Peter, Claudia Germany, TH1
7 UK-Danny Radiofix, UK-Mike, US-Drew, Chip Barber,
8 NewPilot001, US-Richard, NewController001, NewController002
9 PilotAlpha117, Controller Alpha117
I don't disable pilots I don't understand, because they might legitimately sound bad depending on distance, weather, etc. But I disable controllers below 6. That leaves me about 10 at present.
I *think* I've got the ratings above about right, though I did it in a bit of a hurry. Very busy today.
@Pete Am I reading this right? UK-Danny2 (extra FX) a 7, better than UK-Danny a 5?
Danny2 has distortion and background noise, but it is easy to understand.
As I said earlier, all controllers should be very clear, I think most of us agree on that. That will be fixed. :)
What makes this a bit tough is that for instance pilot US-Drew sounds different than controller US-Drew. Which one do you mean?
So let this discussion only be about the pilot voices, those are the ones we have to decide on.
Quote from: MaVe64 on 28 November, 2016, 19:47:26 PM
@Pete Am I reading this right? UK-Danny2 (extra FX) a 7, better than UK-Danny a 5?
Danny2 has distortion and background noise, but it is easy to understand.
I'll recheck, but I remember it surprised me too. It was easier to understand. Maybe whatever was added hid the "too close to microphone" distortion or clipping I hear in the other.
QuoteWhat makes this a bit tough is that for instance pilot US-Drew sounds different than controller US-Drew. Which one do you mean?
Ah, to save time I checked all the pilots then only checked the controllers with different names. I did list to quite a few samples of each before rating them.
Really I should have only checked the controllers, as it is only those which matter to me, as long as I have one clear pilot voice, preferably UK, to use as me.
QuoteSo let this discussion only be about the pilot voices, those are the ones we have to decide on.
Okay. On the assumption that the controller recordings will be nice and clear, I'm not really so bothered about the pilot voices for AI, as I said. I'd rather they were clear than not but I'd accept them either way.
2 ? Really ?!?!? :o I guess I'm not surprised... Pete and I have never agreed on this "subjective" subject. Even back in the RC4 days, he hated the "meatwater" mods while I felt they made the voices much more realistic.
Quote from: vadriver on 27 November, 2016, 23:44:37 PM
many i suspect would prefer clarity as well as a familiar accent (& no background)
Quote from: Pete Dowson on 28 November, 2016, 21:11:30 PM
as long as I have one clear pilot voice, preferably UK, to use as me.
Quote from: MadDog on 28 November, 2016, 23:01:57 PM
the "meatwater" mods ..... I felt they made the voices much more realistic.
agree .... you score much higher for me !
if only marcel's contributors could mix it up a bit, less consistency with phrasing. I tried to a tad.
Quote from: MadDog on 28 November, 2016, 23:01:57 PM
2 ? Really ?!?!? :o I guess I'm not surprised... Pete and I have never agreed on this "subjective" subject. Even back in the RC4 days, he hated the "meatwater" mods while I felt they made the voices much more realistic.
Yes, sorry about that. But, yes, I could never understand how anyone could put up with such horrible distortion as Meatwater added! ;-)
Pete
From my point of view, I want to have enough voices to be able to disable the older sets (i.e. not MaVe's) which have a more limited vocabulary, particularly in respect of callsigns. Ironically, a number of Pete's 8's and 9's would be the ones I want to drop for that reason!
If a majority view on how new voicesets are compiled can be arrived at, then by all means apply that to all new ones, but I'd be disappointed if the whole process was slowed down to rework the ones that have already been published. Surely we (or rather Mave if he's willing) can go back to that later...
Thanks for your input guys, keep it coming.
I think that if Marcel, and of course you guys want me to work on some more voices i need to spend a bit longer cleaning up and removing background poping, and as in my voice set remove the budgie singing in the background so first and foremost the words are clear and defined.
Pete....any chance of a voice set from you? I promise to be gentle with the FX. ;)
Quote from: Silkyman on 29 November, 2016, 15:56:06 PM
Pete....any chance of a voice set from you? I promise to be gentle with the FX. ;)
Well, when I can find a bit of time I'll have a look at doing it. Pretty busy at present. Christmas approaching makes it worse as there's also family stuff t attend to.
And I hate the sound of my own voice, so it would probably be one I'd inhibit. Though I suppose I should choose it as me !
Pete
Quote from: Pete Dowson on 29 November, 2016, 16:47:28 PM
Though I suppose I should choose it as me !
I don't use my voice at all ... not pilot (PF or AI)/ co-pilot (PNF) / controller.
http://www.pointsoftware.de/proatcxforum/forum/index.php/topic,1554.msg7541.html#msg7541 (http://www.pointsoftware.de/proatcxforum/forum/index.php/topic,1554.msg7541.html#msg7541) details the way most I believe use PATC.
I agree, 'Pilot' should be changed to 'PF' and only contain readbacks the user can make themselves with the recorder tool or a new recorder tool I can make. I am willing to write a manual if needed.
The 'Copilot' should be named 'FO' or 'PNF' and contain the vocabulary of what now is 'Pilot', plus the checklist items that now are in 'Copilot'. But PATC will have to be modified a bit before this can work.
I agree. No statuc. I'm also loosing my hearing, so I'd rather have clear rather than distorted and hard ot understand. I want to do a voice set for you guys, but don't have the time right now.